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Ruth H's avatar

Excellent article exposing the false prophets we are warned about in the Bible. Thanks for the insight and compilation of their teachings exposing their heresy. All these tv preachers with huge stadium size churches are always asking for money from their home audience glued to the tv. They never share the wealth with the poor, but live in mansions and fly in their personal jets. This in itself shows what morally bankrupt preachers they are. I remember the big flood in Houston several years back and how Joel Olsten would not open his church to be used as a shelter. He truly is one egomaniac.

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Peter Imanuelsen's avatar

We see very little fruits of the Spirit...

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Ruth H's avatar

So sad. I’m so glad my church I attend teaches gospel from the Bible only. Every sermon is a gift to receive knowledge and guidance.

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Anita F Gray's avatar

Mine too! Scripture by scripture. Revelation now. Our word for the year is ABIDE.

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Theresa M.'s avatar

Mine as well. We’re in Matthew now. I love the word Abide as your word of the year!

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Ruth H's avatar

We are currently in Book of Ruth and her finding grace from Boaz.

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Bob's avatar

Boy, Peter, you sure get them to come out of the woodwork sometimes!

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Gaylene Wearne's avatar

You should write a book!

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Prof. Fred Nazar's avatar

That is the problem created by Martin Luther: everyone can interpret the Bible as they wish. Leading to over 50 thousand denominations, where each one of them believes in a different gospel.

Some say that the Bible supports female priests, others not.

Some support homosex, divorce, contraception, etc., others not.

Each pastor is like a little pope, but without the uninterrupted chain of the imposition of the Holy Spirit reaching Jesus.

They lost connection to what the first Christians unanimously believed: tradition.

The only Church that fully follows tradition is the Catholic Church:

Scientific proof of God, immortal un-reencarnatable soul, Heaven, hell, and the most true religion.

http://www.catholic365.com/article/44122/scientific-proof-of-god-immortal-soul-unique-ensoulment-no-reencarnation-heaven-hell-and-of-which-one-is-the-most-true-religion.html

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President John Quincy Adams: “Masonry ought forever to be abolished. It is wrong - essentially wrong - a seed of evil, which can never produce any good.”

Satanic Secret Societies for dummies:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/sss-for-dummies

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/not-so-happy-constitution-day

Who are The Powers That SHOULDN'T Be ?

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The end of money and freedom

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LBJ killed JFK for the Federal Reserve, Nam and the Israel A-bomb

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Weaponization of Justice: no democracy with Freemasonry!

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Ex mason Serge Abad-Gallardo:

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Bob's avatar

Tradition never got anyone to heaven.

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Prof. Fred Nazar's avatar

Tradition means keeping the one and only true interpretation of Christ's teachings to get to heaven. Otherwise, you get 50 thousand denominations, none knowing the way to heaven.

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Bob's avatar

Why not skip the tradition, which is tainted by men, and go straight to the Source..

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Prof. Fred Nazar's avatar

True, the Source is the Catholic Church, since it is the one that wrote and preserved the Bible that the Protestants translated.

Do you know that "the pillar and bulwark of the truth" is not the Bible but the Church? read 1 Timothy 3:15!

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Prof. Fred Nazar's avatar

Historical documents prove that Catholics didn’t taint Tradition.

In fact, the Qumran scrolls proved that the Catholic Church had preserved the Bible untainted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qumran

It is because of the Catholic untainted tradition, that the Bible was preserved untainted for 1500 years so that Protestants could enjoy a Source, yet Luther tossed out the books he didn’t like.

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YeshuaFaith's avatar

How can you know about fifty thousand different churches and what they teach?! I'm sure there are some good and bad ones. The good ones definitely know the way to heaven and the believers will be going there. I go to a fabulous church which happens to be a Calvary Chapel. We read the Bible and interpret it correctly. We don't need merely a priest or pastor to explain it necessarily, as God's Holy Spirit is in charge of that department. However, there are also excellent theologians to learn from, thanks to their writings and the internet! I'm glad the Catholic church is a good fit for you. My experience with most Catholics I meet, family members included, is that they don't know their Bible very well, but are great at following the rituals. It's the relationship with our Savior they struggle with, as some seem to revere Mary more than Jesus.

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The Conservative's avatar

The majority of Catholics I know have never read the Bible. Former Catholic here myself. I didn't realize how corrupt the RCC faith was until I read the entire Bible.

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Prof. Fred Nazar's avatar

Catholicism encourages to read the entire Bible and know it well. In fact, if it wasn't for the Catholic Church who kept the Bible intact for over a thousand years, Protestants have a Bible (though Luther censored a few books that clashed with his novel anti-tradition intepretation).

The reason you left the true religion was that you didn't know it. Proof? You hadn't even read the Bible before becoming protestant.

You didn't even knew that Jesus was physically present in the Eucharist to the point that over 300 hosts have shed blood (AB+) and turned into the flesh of a tortured heart with white blood cells (proving live extraction):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQa9mY7TWvU

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The Conservative's avatar

First off, I'm not a protestant, I'm a Christian.

Second, it was the RCC that kept the Bible out of the hands of common folk. And it wasn't until Luther and many others translated the Bible into their native tongue that the people were able to read it.

And if you believe that a homosexual or pedophile priest has the power to order our Savior down into a flour wafer I have swamp land to sell you.

I'm afraid that you have been seriously deceived by the Beast system.

I'll pray for you.

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Evy Lysk's avatar

The Catholic religion is not the true religion, and your religion has tried to hide the truth about many of your corrupt, homosexual Priests. Who do they confess their sins to? I will leave it at that, because I'm sure I cannot change your mind, and you won't change mine.

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Toddy's avatar

Oh yes but many of those denominations will preach the pure gospel and read the real Bible and have real believers. The Catholics believe in some traditions and customs that are not scriptural and make an idol of Mary, but they still have some real believers amongst them.

As to the way to heaven. Jesus is the Way. The ONLY way to Heaven.

Repent and believe on Him and follow Him in the Way. Ask for the Holy Spirit and read The Holy Scriptures and follow them.

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Prof. Fred Nazar's avatar

We don't make an idol of Mary. In fact, the Catechism is clear: Mary is not a goddess and just a creature of God being Jesus the only mediator, and the rest, participate in that mediation.

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The Conservative's avatar

Where did Christ teach to keep the first day of the week holy?

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Prof. Fred Nazar's avatar

You say you have read your Bible, yet by leaving the Church, you left the inspiration of the Holy Spirit to understand it:

https://www.catholic.com/tract/sabbath-or-sunday

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YeshuaFaith's avatar

Your claiming that the Holy Spirit can only work in the Catholic Church? Wow! That is certainly putting the Holy Spirit in a box! There are millions of Christians all over the world that are in the Eastern Orthodox Church, African churches, Indian churches, Korean and others. I think you have been in academia too long. You should look at what Carol Ward is doing through Favor International, in Africa. Thousands and thousands of people are turning from Islam and witchcraft to Christianity. That is the power of the Holy Spirit!

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Prof. Fred Nazar's avatar

Don't use a strawman argument. I never said that the Holy Spirit only works in the Catholic Church, but that you lost His inspiration when you left the true Church, as proven by the link about the Sunday worship obligation.

If you really follow the Holy Spirit to wherever He leads you, you end up in the true Church, the Catholic:

Scientific proof of God, immortal un-reencarnatable soul, Heaven, hell, and the most true religion.

http://www.catholic365.com/article/44122/scientific-proof-of-god-immortal-soul-unique-ensoulment-no-reencarnation-heaven-hell-and-of-which-one-is-the-most-true-religion.html

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The Conservative's avatar

The easy answer is "there is no scripture to support the first day of the week".

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YeshuaFaith's avatar

I definitely agree with you about Free Masonry...it is Satanic! However, I don't believe any one church is the true church. The church is a community of individual believers who follow Yeshua HaMashiach, wherever they attend. There is nothing wrong with having different churches. Even Catholic churches differ in some ways. I attend a Bible believing church that faithfully teaches the word of God, worships the Lord in song, reaches out to the poor, has a Christian school and supports many missionaries abroad, who bring people to Christ. I have been in balanced Catholic churches as well as spiritually dead ones. Just because it has the name Catholic on it doesn't mean it is a "true" church. That goes for Protestant and Eastern Orthodox churches as well!

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Toddy's avatar
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There will be one true church that is going on quietly obeying scripture and washing their robes. Working and living life normally, and fellowshipping with those willing to be separate from the world and worldy things, speech and walk, the radio, T.V. and Movies, and its many devices. They will be mocked even by other christians but they will go on quietly serving God and man and following the Saviour. Simply and with NO pomp and tradition--- which is Not scripture. God will have His Philadelphia. The question is whether we want it or not or prefer a Laodicea. I am concerned to look inward to root out casualness and lukewarm attitide within myself.

If we want it, whats real and fervent and to join those following Him closely, then we will find it. Repent and believe on Him. Keep close to Jesus. He is the Way and Truth and Life. Look on Him.

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Debra Mandell's avatar

Really explain the last pope and all those false idols he embraced. No, the Catholic Church is also plague with falsehoods, misinterpretation of scripture. The virgin Mary? What Jesus did on the cross opened the door to direct access to the Father. The only intercessor is Christ himself. Not the saints of the Catholic Church. Not Angels. Those are created beings. We are not to worship created beings but the Creator. And remember many of those "saints" where Jews. And and Angels are servants never to be worship. Its throughout the Bible.

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Prof. Fred Nazar's avatar

Well then, how do you comply with your Bible about this:

John 6:53 "whoever does not eat my flesh and drink my blood has no life"

Read the whole chapter. Jesus was not speaking symbolically. In fact, he let his followers disband thinking that he was talking about cannibalism with his flesh and blood.

He didn't say: "Hey, come back! I was speaking figuratively."

In fact he was speaking about the Last Supper where upon His command, the bread turned into His Flesh.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2025/10/eucharist-jesus-protestant-doubts-vs-the-bible.html

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The Lady Victory's avatar

Well, I saw the Lord face to face in full revelation in Heaven - immersed in His Full Manifest Presence & Power in Glory. It's equal to on earth being fully transfigured.

I've read the Bible 1000s of times cover to cover. I can see where there are 2 different religions preached in there: the false religion of RCC and Word of Faith that all men are God in Spirit Incarnate and the false christ came to make men God (and women men's body object slaves/church).

Peter saw what he saw by the Spirit of God. He caught the apostasy of the Word of Faith false teachers.

You see, the Spirit of God will show us who are truly born again the errors of the wicked. We can see things theologically, prayerfully.

Right now, the true church is accelerating in seeing and knowing truth.

We are going to get to the place where we transfigure... because we see and know God Himself face to face in spirit and in truth.

God said, "Seek my face."

He did not say, "Read a book in perpetuity and get second hand knowledge/information."

The Roman Catholic Church is the antichrist church of satan that says their false christ "came to make men God" (Point 460 of the RCC Catechism).

The true church is the born again church who are born again believing in and receiving the Lord as He is revealed in The Gospel of John.

Your tradition avails you nothing. Knowing God and seeking His face to see Him face to face to know Him as He is is the goal of the true church born of His Spirit, washed in His blood.

The false church has manmade tradition and follows men.

But the true church can see God and live seeking His face.

We, the true church, are going to come to the same shared revelation by the Spirit of God.

And we will soon transfigure.

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Evy Lysk's avatar

Amen Sister!

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The Conservative's avatar

Matthew 15:3 (ASV) And he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition?

Mark 7:13 (ASV) making void the word of God by your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things ye do.

Colossians 2:8 (ASV) Take heed lest there shall be any one that maketh spoil of you through his philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ:

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Prof. Fred Nazar's avatar

Right on spot: the tradition of men versus the faithful tradition of God's doctrine.

Protestants follow the tradition of men inventing their own creeds.

Catholics follow the faithful tradition of Christ's teachings preserved by the early Christians, who believed what Catholics believe now, not what protestant men invented.

This historical research will vanish your doubts:

https://archive.org/details/a599872600newmuoft/page/n5/mode/2up

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The Conservative's avatar

You misunderstood what I was referring to. Traditions mean absolutely nothing when comparing the commandments of God. The RCC has added so much to their doctrine that is either not in the Word or is completely contrary to the Word of God. I can't fathom how educated people such as yourself can't see this.

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Prof. Fred Nazar's avatar

Let's fathom. Give me an example where the RCC apparently contradicts the Word of God, and I'll prove that it's slander.

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The Conservative's avatar

I'll give you just a few of many.

Matthew 23:9 (KJV) And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

1 Timothy 2:5 (KJV) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Exodus 20:4 (KJV) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Exodus 20:5 (KJV) Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Ephesians 2:8 (KJV) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 (KJV) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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Prof. Fred Nazar's avatar

Let's pray the Holy Spirit that an obstinate attitude doesn't leave us out of His school:

Matthew 23:9 (KJV) And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

So you don't call your father, father, then what is it? The passage clearly refers to God the Father, no calling any other god, father.

https://www.catholic.com/tract/call-no-man-father

1 Timothy 2:5 (KJV) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

Exactly what the Catholic Catechism teaches. https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/one-mediator-between-god-and-men

Exodus 20:4-5

https://www.catholic.com/qa/how-can-the-church-allow-statues-when-exodus-20-forbids-it

Sola Fide: Ephesians 2:8-9

https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/justification-by-faith-alone-1153

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Declaration_on_the_Doctrine_of_Justification

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Karen M Melbye's avatar

From what I have read and heard, the Orthodox Church fully follows tradition.

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Dave Larsen's avatar

Where were you reading?

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Prof. Fred Nazar's avatar

Unlike protestants, Orthodox Churches didn't throw out some of the books of the Bible and kept the 7 Sacraments and most of the tradition, but left out some essential ones:

- They've become national churches (Greek, Russian, etc.) instead of the universal Church requested in the New Testament. Catholic means universal. Only the Catholic Church reaches all nations of the world. It's the only one.

- They reject the primacy of the Seat of Peter guided by the Holy Spirit:

https://catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/general/primacy.htm

- They reject Priestly celibacy following Jesus' example and the early Priest, who were married but mutually agreed to offer celibacy for the Kingdom. The Bible mentions those who "have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven" in

Matthew 19:12, referring to those who choose celibacy to be more devoted to serving God. This is a figurative expression, not literal castration, meaning they voluntarily set aside marriage and sexual desire to focus on spiritual matters. The passage contrasts this with those who are eunuchs from birth or are made eunuchs by others.

- They reject frequent communion

- They lack the indulgencies

- They lack the growth and development of the doctrine. This historical research converted many: https://archive.org/details/a599872600newmuoft/page/n5/mode/2up

For example, about Purgatory:

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2015/11/25-bible-passages-on-purgatory.html

It's because of that, they are just 260 million compared to 1400 million Catholics: they miss many supernatural helps reserved for the most faithful Church.

Faith is like a plant, designed to liven and transform the wordly world: if you keep it inside an Orthodox museum, it withers, but if you plant it in the middle of the world, it grows, adapts, multiplies and terraforms the whole world.

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Theresa M.'s avatar

Great clarification on this subject!

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micheal's avatar

Thank you brother. Many have followed these teachers of bad doctrines.

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Pastor Bruce DeYoung's avatar

Very well written article exposing heresy and false teachings eroding the Church! I am a minister and was caught up in some of these teachings but thank God I have chosen me to the truth!! Sadly, what I see with many with these teachings is something akin to Christian voodoo!!

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Dave Larsen's avatar

Did you know what you’re seeing is darnel? Do you know when the darnel was planted? These weeds are only heading out they were never pulled during the reformation.

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Alexander Forrest's avatar

Excellent article, Peter. We also see the development today of Christian Nationalism, the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR), and dominionism. These too have an occult background.

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Peter Imanuelsen's avatar

The NAR of which Bethel belongs is the continuation of the Word of Faith movement. It is more or less a very similar doctrine.

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Alexander Forrest's avatar

Exactly!

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SD's avatar

A lot mentioned here can be traced back to that witch Helen Blavatsky. The business of 'Manifestation' appeared in a big way back in the early 2000's with the publication of a film called, 'The Secret' which pushed the same message that you think about things in a positive way they will manifest and come true. What they do not get told is once you pursue that avenue, it all has a price. Many have and are falling into this not so new 'Cult' and the world and humanity is not going to be better off for it.

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Debra Mandell's avatar

You know alot of that is taught with healing in hospitals. Image the cancer is being eaten away etc.

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SD's avatar

I was not aware of that, the human mind is an extremely powerful tool. Most do not realise the mind is the greatest and most powerful computer on the planet. Those who hate us do not want the people to realise they have been getting ripped off with their education about how powerful it is.

People who flog things like 'The Secret' and all these other snake oil fixes to life's woes. To them its flogging a dream for profit. I have more friends who bought into 'The Secret' that are worse off, manifested nothing they tried to obtain, that they could have if they did the hard work. One common denominator, they were all weak of mind, desperate and entitled in attitude, the world owed them because their lives were not working out. Many, are in bigger world of hurt, physically and mentally. Failed to recognise, you want something, work for it and earn it.

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Debra Mandell's avatar

I have good friends in the prosperity teaching and it grieves me. But I dont force anything because when times of trouble comes to them they will be wary of coming to me for help. I just let my light show. Thanks for sharing.

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KathyK's avatar

I couldn't agree with you more! We certainly are living in the last days of deception. The biggest problem is, we no longer know and memorize Scripture, we no longer hear exogesis in sermons, we no longer share or even know the gospel.....

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Grace Turner's avatar

Very good explanation of some dark false teaching. The enemy is a master at twisting truth and drawing in the unearned. This is why it is so important for every child of God to KNOW The Word. Study to show thyself approved unto God.

Galatians 1:8

“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.”

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SoBeIt🍄's avatar

Peter, thank you for this. As a Christian and born again believer I stopped going to church because I saw with my own eyes the falseness and the way the “leaders” set themselves up in grandeur. I read my bible (on kindle now because the bible print is too small as I get older) and pray daily, but more importantly I have conversations with Jesus throughout my day if somethings confusing or upsetting me, or I’m concerned about something. Jesus while on earth was perfect and without sin, he died on the cross for our sin so that we can have life. It’s very obvious looking at churches across the world how they’ve lost their way. Accepting sinful ways to stay abreast with modern times. That’s why the West has fallen and continues in rapid decline. We have to be steadfast on the Word and look to Christ for our salvation. Jesus said “I am the way, the truth and the life and no man cometh to the Father but through me”.

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Charles Clemens's avatar

”And whatever things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.” - Matthew 21:22.

This sounds remarkably similar to the Power of Attraction.

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The Lady Victory's avatar

That's because Matthew, Mark, and Luke (including Acts which is the same book as Luke artificially split in two) feature the antichrist and are false gospels written by the Roman Catholic Church's Greco Roman philosopher false priests.

Nowhere does the false christ in Matthew, Mark, or Luke tell people they must be born again to have eternal life.

Instead, he tells them to be perfect (to be qualified to gain eternal life) they have to give all their possessions to the poor - surrendering all private property - converting to communism. That is the literal 666 beast of Revelation 13 teaching his 666 beast religion.

If you want to believe that Matthew is "your christ" and reject the true Lord in The Gospel of John who tells you that you must be born again - you're not saved.

You cannot be saved by some flimsy "by grace through faith". No, you must believe in and receive the true Lord in The Gospel of John to be born again. Otherwise, you've believed a false gospel of a false christ.

You are still in your sins.

Maybe that's why you like "the Power of Attraction".

The false christ is satan.

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Bob's avatar

You might want to try Biblical hermeneutics, I think it would clear up your thinking greatly..

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The Lady Victory's avatar

If you are going to challenge my apologetics - even with a one line ad hominem attack - you're getting a full reply. Here's the link to the full reply in one I just did: https://theladyvictory.substack.com/p/the-matthew-antichrist-demands-communist

My reply here comes in parts.

Part 1

Biblical hermeneutics?

Why don't you break out of the box and question more?

For gospels to agree, they must state the same way of salvation. The Lord Himself says in The Gospel of John that if anyone comes preaching another way of salvation, it is the devil: the thief.

Why don't you listen to God? Why don't you take Him seriously? Don't you know Him? Don't you care that He warned you about this?

The Lord in The Gospel of John says there is only one Way of salvation: one must be born again believing in and receiving Him to be born of the Spirit of God.

That's it. There is no other Way. He Himself is the Way, the Truth, the Life.

Anyone who comes preaching another gospel is the devil speaking through that person: the thief. The person speaking that false gospel is a thief and a robber.

John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except one be born [a]anew, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born [b]anew. 8 [c]The wind bloweth where it will, and thou hearest the voice thereof, but knowest not whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he the right to become children of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 who were [f]born, not of [g]blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word became flesh, and [h]dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of [i]the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth.

Now, if you have not received the Lord as He is revealed in The Gospel of John, you are not a child of God. You are not a true Christian. You are nothing but a false Christian, and there are many.

Why do you attack the Lord in The Gospel of John speaking pretending it does not matter if one is born of the Spirit of God or not solely by believing in and receiving Him? Washed in the blood of the Lamb?

John 1:28 These things were done in [q]Bethany beyond the Jordan, where John was baptizing. 29 On the morrow he seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold, the Lamb of God, that [r]taketh away the sin of the world!

Revelation 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, These that are arrayed in the white robes, who are they, and whence came they? 14 And I [a]say unto him, My lord, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they that come out of the great tribulation, and they washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

There is no other Way of salvation but the Lord Himself: being born of the Spirit and washed in the blood of the Lamb by believing in and receiving Him alone.

That's it. If anyone else comes to you speaking another way of salvation, that person is a thief and a robber.

Furthermore, John states that he has written in The Gospel of John all that is needful for any person to gain eternal life by being born of the Spirit of God - should they believe in and receive the Lord as the Spirit reveals the Lord in John's Gospel:

John 20:31 but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name.

John testifies that he has written in The Gospel of John all things necessary to be born of the Spirit of God.

Therefore, hermeneutics would tell you that no other gospel need be written. The purpose of the true Gospel is to declare Who the Lord Is (God made a man; the Word made flesh - the Word being the Creator of Genesis 1) so that by believing in and receiving Him you will be born of God's Spirit and have eternal life for He is the Way, the Truth, the Life.

That's it.

We can all stop now.

We need only The Gospel of John in our Bibles to serve as the True Gospel.

The next question is, "Why would God commission another gospel after this being said in The Gospel of John?"

No other gospel is needed. And God has clearly stated the danger of another gospel that the person would declare a different way of salvation and thereby be the thief and the robber speaking.

So, we have great danger ahead of us considering Matthew, Mark, and/or Luke. There is a great danger that the thief will be speaking a different gospel in these books.

Now, you bring out the scripture in Matthew, Mark, AND Luke that tells us the gospel truth of salvation, "You must be born again." If you cannot do that, you yourself are lying with the thief to form conspiracy with the devil to speak a false gospel. You are being a thief and a robber at that point, and an antichrist.

You are on trial here with your one line ad hominem attack.

I am not on trial. I have stood with the Lord in The Gospel of John. You are on trial for your vicious, groundless attack of both the Lord (speaking in The Gospel of John) and me.

Where does Matthew, Mark, and Luke declare the same gospel? Saying "You must be born again?" Because not one of them can be a true gospel without saying that is the only Way of salvation because it is the only Way of receiving the Lord as one's Savior: because the Lord Himself is the only Way of salvation?

Where?

I will give you the answer. NOWHERE do the false gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke say, "You must be born again." NOWHERE. They are clearly proven by apologetics thereby to be FALSE gospels.

Who put them in the Bible? The Roman Catholic Church. Check history and the Council of Trent.

So, you have put your faith in the false church of Rome to hand you a Bible that is fully true throughout - and they haven't.

You should have expected them to add false gospels to their own Bible.

You should have followed rules of apologetics handed to you in The Gospel of John to know that you must reject Matthew, Mark, and Luke because they do not speak the same Gospel as John, "You must be born again."

Instead, what do these false gospels teach?

Matthew 19:16 And behold, one came to him and said, [i]Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, [j]Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, [k]Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honor thy father and thy mother; and, [l]Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. 22 But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions.

23 And Jesus said unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, It is hard for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through a needle’s eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 25 And when the disciples heard it, they were astonished exceedingly, saying, Who then can be saved? 26 And Jesus looking upon them said to them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible. 27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Lo, we have left all, and followed thee; what then shall we have? 28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, that ye who have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit on the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And every one that hath left houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, [m]or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive [n]a hundredfold, and shall inherit eternal life.

First, the antichrist denies the Deity of the Lord in Matthew 19. Above is quoted the American Standard Version.

Here is the Authorized King James Version:

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

The false christ of Matthew first denies the Deity of God the Son - denying the Trinity - then says that one is saved by works keeping the commandments.

That is a false christ who is not God the Son and a false salvation of works.

The false christ does not say, "You must be born again."

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Bob's avatar

Lady V, since you claim to have read the Bible "thousands of times" you've probably picked up on the fact that God used 4 different disciples to write their own accounts of what happened. Why would God want 4 identical accounts? He could just write one and be done. This isn't a Dick and Jane children's book. God uses each writer's particular attributes and personality to get His Word across to us. I hope you sincerely want to know God's truth, and are not just trolling...

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The Lady Victory's avatar

Bob,

I already pointed out that John stated that his gospel is the only one needed to gain eternal life. That way is by being born again.

Many false gospels were written in the first century, second century, and beyond. They would all claim to be spoken from a different personality. The problem? They're false gospels.

We don't need a myriad of false gospels. There's only one true Gospel, "You must be born again." The rest are false gospels.

True or false matters to true born again believers. The world loves false gospels. One and done is all God needs. Everything that varies from the truth is a lie.

Knowing truth makes us free. Not hearing a lot of false gospels from a lot of false views. Do you like the false gospel of Thomas? Peter? Mary? Hebrews? A lot of false gospels were written from a lot of different personalities. The problem is they are not true. Believing them will not result in a person gaining eternal life.

You're missing the point and the point is that the true gospel is, "You must be born again." You cannot be born again by believing in a false Christ who is not God the Son - and denies the Trinity. People can make up any Christ they want. If you took a week, you could probably write a gospel. Anyone can. The problem, again, is their gospels are not true and do not produce being born again.

Yes, I read the Bible 1000s of times cover to cover.

I'm born again.

I wanted to understand what was wrong with the Christian church on earth - why Christians were stuck instead of receiving all the promises of God.

The answer I found was the Hegelian Dialectic.

You see, when you add the antithesis to the thesis - you end up with synthesis. Synthesis is a mixture of lies and truth that does not produce sanctification in truth.

But you might enjoy hearing a lot of personalities and attributes that aren't true. They just won't produce miracle working power.

I was interested in the promises of God that are the return of the Lord's Glory, miracles, the coming of the Kingdom, divine healing, and physical immortality attaining perfection.

I was interested in what works - not hearing a lot of different ideas and thoughts that are just noise - antithesis - that are not true (like the Word of Faith movement).

I wanted the truth. I kept reading until I had the answers I sought.

Proofs in the pudding.

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Toddy's avatar

I suggest you go speak to Frank Turek or write him and ask humbly about your concerns, if you really think the rest of the gospels are incorrect. And/or ask Ray Comfort and his team. And get on your knees and pray first, asking God that IF you have missed something or been blinded, that your eyes may open and you will see.

He opens the eyes of the blind.

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Charles Clemens's avatar

The Gospel of John was the 4th "accepted" story of Jesus. Each version included stories and quotes not acknowledged in previous editions. I prefer the Thomas Jefferson Bible - the one without all the magic and miracles. By the way, it is the only one to take Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John and to report ONLY those things which the followers of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John all believed.

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Bob's avatar

You assume alot...why is that?

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Toddy's avatar

The gospels all agree. All four. Read them again, asking on your knees for the Lord to open your eyes as you read.

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The Lady Victory's avatar

We have to operate on the basis of the scripture itself - line upon line and precept upon precept. You cannot just say, "they agree" and have proven that. Let's try this working logically - in apologetics. That is when you have a chance to see if you really think that what you say is right or error in false assumption. To do that, you need to prove your statement. You said the gospels agree. I say you're wrong.

The devil deceives the whole world because people don't go to source to know truth.

For the 4 gospels to agree, they must all say the same gospel of how to gain eternal life.

Gospel of John: You must be born again.

Matthew, Mark, & Luke: Keep commandments & surrender all private property converting to communism. If you really read what the antichrist says and think it through - his bottom line is "convert to communism". That's how you become perfect.

If you say they are the same, you need to prove that. Here's how you can prove it.

#1. Show in The Gospel of John where the true Lord says you must surrender all private property be perfect and gain eternal life (as is stated in Matthew, Mark, Luke).

#2. Show in Matthew, Mark, & Luke where that person claiming to be christ says, "You must be born again" (as is stated in John).

If you cannot fulfill, #1 and #2 below, admit you're wrong please. Be intellectually honest instead of believing lies. Lying is a sin. You believed lies and are probably unwittingly repeating lies. That's wrong. Please do your due diligence as the Lord wills.

Reply with the answers to #1 and #2 or admit you're wrong please.

#1. Show in The Gospel of John where the true Lord says you must surrender all private property be perfect and gain eternal life (as is stated in Matthew, Mark, Luke).

#2. Show in Matthew, Mark, & Luke where that person claiming to be christ says, "You must be born again" (as is stated in John).

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Part 2

We can see plainly that this is a different gospel from the outset. The Lord taught us in The Gospel of John that this is an antichrist speaking in Matthew who is teaching another way of salvation:

John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

That is not the Lord speaking in Matthew 19. If you say, "Oh, it is the Lord." - you have zero reasons to believe so born of apologetics. You simply are blindly following the pope of Rome who put Matthew 19 in his biblical canon and wrote "Holy Bible" on the cover. You are blindly following the pope of Rome and judging a book by its cover.

You are following no rules of apologetics that determine truth line up line and precept upon precept. In fact, you have literally departed from the Lord Himself speaking in The Gospel of John to follow the pope of Rome blindly to receive a false christ to yourself by receiving the false gospel of Matthew and the false christ (who says he is not God the Son) to speak it.

You have neither God the Son speaking in Matthew 19:16 OR the true Gospel being spoken.

Hermeneutics? You have zero apologetics to your cause or credit.

That false christ - the devil, the antichrist - said he is not God the Son and you must keep the commandments to have eternal life (and thus go to Heaven).

He's lying.

You have believed in a false christ and you have believed a false gospel. If you have not received the Lord believing in Him as He is revealed by the Spirit of God in The Gospel of John, you are NOT a true Christian. You are not born of the Spirit of God. You yourself are an antichrist.

So, I am not challenging your "hermeneutics". I am challenging your very salvation and rejecting you as an antichrist if you have not been born again as the Lord declared in The Gospel of John - and have instead followed the antichrist of Matthew, Mark, and Luke receiving the false in place of the true.

The antichrist says you must keep all of these commandments to gain eternal life:

18 He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, [k]Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honor thy father and thy mother;

Those come from the 10 commandments as listed in Exodus.

But, the antichrist made these commandments impossible to keep. He said this:

Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said, [a]Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 but I say unto you, that every one that looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

No man in a fallen world can keep that commandment of this antichrist. There is no man who is not entirely sanctified in this fallen world who can keep that commandment as stated by the antichrist in Matthew.

Look at this one:

Matthew 5:20 For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven.

21 Ye have heard that it was said to them of old time, [b]Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 but I say unto you, that every one who is angry with his brother [c]shall be in danger of the judgment; and whosoever shall say to his brother, [d]Raca, shall be in danger of the council; and whosoever shall say, [e]Thou fool, shall be in danger [f]of the [g]hell of fire.

You told me, mocking me, that I might want to try biblical hermeneutics, that you think that would clear up my thinking greatly.

You know you were sarcastically calling me a fool.

This says you violated the commandment, "thou shall not kill" by that sardonic remark you made above.

And the antichrist told you that you cannot go to heaven because you did not keep his commandments. The antichrist told you that hell of fire is your reward.

You see, the antichrist of Matthew does not save you from your sins. He is not the Lamb of God. He never promises to save you from your sins by your sins being washed in the blood of the Lamb as is spoken in John 1.

John 1:29 On the morrow he seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold, the Lamb of God, that [r]taketh away the sin of the world!

The true Lord in The Gospel of John is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. He is God the Son - the Word made flesh as John says.

But the antichrist of Matthew says only God is good - and he is not God the Son. He has not come to take away the sin of the world as the Lamb of God. He has come to add his own words to the 10 commandments stated in Exodus to make those commandments impossible for a man in a fallen world to keep - and damning you to hell fire for not keeping them in perfection.

That's not the Lord. That's not the true gospel either in Matthew. You know that by comparing what the antichrist in Matthew says to what the true Lord in The Gospel of John says. That is apologetics.

Next he says, "and, [l]Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." That is not one of the 10 commandments.

Neither is that the same commandment as the true Lord in The Gospel of John.

John 13:34-35 A new commandment I give unto you, that ye love one another; even as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

The Lord's true New Covenant Commandment makes Himself as God the Source of all true love in His Kingdom.

The antichrist makes a fallen man the source of love in his lies commanding us all to love our neighbor as we (selfishly in and of ourselves) love ourselves. No such commandment comes from God. It is the love of the world born of self and erasing all boundary lines of distinction between the children of God born of God's Spirit and the world. God commanded us in John to be a called out society/community/family of God loving one another in reciprocity equally as we love one another by God's Spirit as He has loved us. God's commandment is true in The Gospel of John. The antichrist's false commandment in Matthew is born of self and is the love of this world. The antichrist cannot speak of true love and speaks of self-centeredness making fallen man the source of love. His doctrine is false.

John 15: 17 These things I command you, that ye may love one another. 18 If the world hateth you, [e]ye know that it hath hated me before it hated you. 19 If ye were of the world, the world would love its own: but because ye are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 20 Remember the word that I said unto you, A [f]servant is not greater than his lord. If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they kept my word, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name’s sake, because they know not him that sent me. 22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also. 24 If I had not done among them the works which none other did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. 25 But this cometh to pass, that the word may be fulfilled that is written in their law, [g]They hated me without a cause.

The Lord told us that the world hates me and other true born again believers the same as me, but the world loves its own. The world "loves its neighbor [of the world] as it loves self". But the world hates God the Son and God the Father.

The world so hates God the Son and God the Father - and the true born again children of God - that it makes up its own false gospel with its own antichrist to replace God the Son and the true children of God with the antichrist and the world.

Matthew is replacing God the Son and God the Father with the antichrist who denies the Trinity and says he is not God. Matthew is replacing the true children of God with the world who loves its own. Matthew hates God the Son and God the Father so much, he wrote a false gospel featuring the antichrist. His commandment "love your neighbor as yourself" is written to replace the Lord's true Commandment to His disciples in The Gospel of John "love one another as I have loved you."

The antichrist in Matthew never says either, "Love one another as I have loved you" even as he never says, "You must be born again" as the only way of salvation and eternal life. It's not the same person speaking in Matthew as the Lord speaking in John.

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Part 3

The character in the made up story of Matthew 19 then says:

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet?

So, the young man lies to say he has always kept the commandments from youth. And says, "What lack I yet?"

He means, "What do I lack yet to gain eternal life?" "What further good work must I do?"

Matthew 19:16 And behold, one came to him and said, [i]Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

The antichrist in Matthew never told him that he could not be saved by good works and must be born again. The antichrist in Matthew just tells him what works he must do to have eternal life - while denying at the opening that he is God the Son: denying the Trinity.

The Trinity is essential doctrine. The Deity of the Lord is essential doctrine. Sound apologetics born of Biblical hermeneutics must throw out this antichrist in Matthew as a false christ who has denied essential doctrine and spoken false doctrine in its place.

But, we will finish this section in brief.

The antichrist makes surrender of all private property a necessity of eternal life:

Matthew 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

The man asked what he lacked. The antichrist answered with this. Can anyone enter Heaven short of perfection? No. You must be perfect to enter a perfect place. Heaven is the place of perfection for those who are made perfect.

This antichrist makes the surrender of all private property (the conversion to communism) the condition of following him. No one can come to him and follow him without selling all that one has and "giving" to the poor: surrendering all private property.

Karl Marx: "Finally, communism is the positive expression of annulled private property"

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/comm.htm

Famously, Marx said that communism is: "Abolition of private property."

"Marx’s manifesto is famous for summing up his theory of Communism with a single sentence: “Abolition of private property.”"

https://fee.org/articles/5-things-marx-wanted-to-abolish-besides-private-property/

What does the antichrist in Matthew say is perfection? Abolition of private property. Annulled private property. He makes this condition of being his disciple to come and follow him:

Matthew 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

The man hearing this leaves - seeing he can neither be the disciple of this antichrist nor have eternal life. The man leaves because he has been rejected for failure to abolish private property in his life.

Matthew 19:22 But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions.

It is plainly true that the conversion to communism is stated by the antichrist to be the means of being his disciple, following him, and thus gaining eternal life.

The antichrist, in making communism (the abolition of private property; the annulment of private property) the price of being his disciple clearly reveals himself to be a Communist Messiah. That is the antichrist, and same spirit of the antichrist, of Revelation 13:

Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the bond, that there be given them a mark on their right hand, or upon their forehead; 17 and that no man should be able to buy or to sell, save he that hath the mark, even the name of the beast or the number of his name.

The antichrist of Revelation 13 likewise requires total control of the property of his disciples, they are not permitted private property. The antichrist of Revelation 13 has abolished private property: his disciples cannot own, buy, or sell apart from his rule. Therefore, they cannot be his disciples apart from abolition of private property - just as the antichrist in Matthew 19 speaks.

The antichrist says it is impossible for men to be saved without surrendering all private property. Then, he makes a cryptic statement that with God all things are possible. That makes no sense other than assuming he means that the "God" he speaks of will force men to surrender all private property: the 666 beast system coming where it is forced upon people by compulsion. They're killed if they don't. (Like Ananias & Saphira in the made up by "Luke", lying, false story in Acts 5 and those killed in Revelation 13).

Acts 5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 2 and kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thy heart to [a]lie to the Holy Spirit, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 While it remained, did it not remain thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thy power? How is it that thou hast conceived this thing in thy heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. 5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down and gave up the ghost: and great fear came upon all that heard it. 6 And the [b]young men arose and wrapped him round, and they carried him out and buried him.

7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. 8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much. And she said, Yea, for so much. 9 But Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to try the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them that have buried thy husband are at the door, and they shall carry thee out. 10 And she fell down immediately at his feet, and gave up the ghost: and the young men came in and found her dead, and they carried her out and buried her by her husband. 11 And great fear came upon the whole church, and upon all that heard these things.

The antichrist of the synoptic gospels (Acts is the continuation of the lying tales of Luke) kills people who try to join his church by any other means but communism in the abolition of private property.

The communist "Jesus" will not save you, Bob.

He never promises to wash away your sins as you are born of the Spirit of God. He only promises to let you live if you "join his church" by the abolition of private property. In Revelation 13 we see he will demand you take his mark and have 666 printed on your forehead or right hand.

In Matthew, he famously tells you that you might be saved from hell if your right hand is cut off.

Matthew 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

What does that mean? In Revelation 13, you must take the mark of the beast 666 printed on your right hand to not be killed by the antichrist. And he says conversion to his communist system under his rule is how to gain eternal life. Does he mean that if any refuse him, he will cut off their right hands - and give them another chance to take the mark of the beast 666 on their forehead? Because he will literally cut off the heads of those who refuse to take his mark on their foreheads.

In context, it appears the antichrist will first cut off the right hands of those who refuse to take his 666 mark on their right hands. Then, they will have the option to have the 666 mark on their foreheads. If they refuse that, they will have their heads cut off.

The antichrist is a cruel person. The devil is bad.

The antichrist confirms in his lies in Matthew that he demands all surrender all private property in a Revelation 13 conversion to communism under him to be his disciples. He lies and says they will have "treasure in Heaven" for this blasphemy.

Matthew 19:27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Lo, we have left all, and followed thee; what then shall we have? 28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, that ye who have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit on the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And every one that hath left houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, [m]or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive [n]a hundredfold, and shall inherit eternal life.

If a person follows the pope of Rome blindly, and Caesar, to believe all they tell you is in their Bible came from God - one will blindly believe Matthew, Mark, and Luke (with Acts) belong in the Christian Bible. But, it does not take much to logically, critically analyze what the antichrist says is salvation in Matthew 19 to see and know it is the antichrist of Revelation 13 speaking.

They profess abolition of private property as the means of being their disciple, following them, and not being killed by them as the antichrist kills Ananias and Saphira in Acts 5 and everyone who will not take his mark in Revelation 13.

The antichrist of Matthew who you have trusted will only lead you to hell. He's the devil in prose.

My apologetics are sound.

You never did hermeneutics or apologetics of Matthew compared to John and Revelation 13.

You blindly believed and followed the pope of Rome and the Council of Trent.

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Theresa M.'s avatar

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The Lady Victory's avatar

Theresa, do you intend to say that you believe that a person must surrender all private property be a disciple and have eternal life? Like the man claiming to be the Lord in Matthew said? It's not true.

My refutation of the ad hominem attack above you applauded:

https://open.substack.com/pub/petersweden/p/exposing-extreme-heresy-in-the-church?utm_campaign=comment-list-share-cta&utm_medium=web&comments=true&commentId=174947722

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Debra Mandell's avatar

Its does and thats how they twist the understanding of that verse. Its quite simple just believe He has heard you. If your prayer is according to his will it will come to pass. If it isnt his will or you will be worse off by the request He won't answer it. But always remember He understands just & will help, guide our prayers and give us the strength & faith to keep believing.

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YeshuaFaith's avatar

Wow! I know about Copeland, Hagen, Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn and others. I have been very suspicious about the Bethel movement since the time that they held a conference at the Rock Church in San Diego years ago. (Not my home church.) A friend confirmed that there were manifistations of feathers and gold dust and another friend of mine definitely felt an evil spirit going from person to person when he attended the service. I would like to find out more info. about the quote from Todd White. Thank you for mentioning the JDS belief. This is absolutely heretical and dangerous! I attend a Calvary Chapel, and a few people came down from Bethel to check out our church. After a couple weeks, they were politely asked to leave by the elders, as their motives were questionable.

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Trudy Anrep's avatar

Religions nowadays are dressed up Satanic Pedophile Cults .The Vatican run by the Black Nobility being the supreme Satanic leader of them all, then progressive Christianity,Judaism, Islam, Mormons, Scientology and so on . This doesn't mean good people still can't believe in our Lord Jesus Christ just don't do it through these unholy Institutions ,we all carry the light within .

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Nat's avatar

Amen. We don't need to stand in judgement of other's ways of relating to God or Christ. The most important part is the personal relationship. Yeshua didn't want a man made, man governed church for the exact reasons given both in the article and the comments. He despised the church of the time. War, hatred and satanic hijack have all been created through the church. People need to hold less tightly in warped doctrine. This was not the message Yeshua came to share. Nowhere in the book did he say follow this book. He stood for truth, love, peace and unity. We don't need any middle man between us and God. God is always here with us.

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Trudy Anrep's avatar

Correct

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John David Truly's avatar

Excellent exposition. There is a fine point that either quells believer’s effectiveness in the will of God or thrusts them over into the line you so well describe. That is that there is power of life and death in the tongue- that as we speak forth in the will and purposes of God we act as His emissaries on earth. Not our ideas but His, not our will but His.

The WofF people, apparently out of selfish motive step out to speak healing, prosperity etc from their own thoughts, will and presumed power. A committed believer, submitted to and obedient to the Lord may, following His direction, speak essentially the same words (be healed, be at peace, go and prosper) yet as he is speaking God’s word for the moment he is doing God’s work - on earth as it is in heaven

We have observed some who have begun their ministry in obedience to the Lord’s calling and seen great fruit therefrom. But then they lose sight of who is in charge only to then traffic on the real blessings of the past into the very error you describe

In this understanding some have tragically lost their way and taken many with them.

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Peter Imanuelsen's avatar

The question is, are you praying in faith to God or are you "speaking faith words" in your own power?

The two are very similar in one sense, but yet so different.

The latter is what the WoF and also the NAR (Bethel) essentially practice.

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Theresa M.'s avatar

Great point!

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