To equate wearing a burqa with terrorism is a gross exaggeration- look at US supporting a known terrorist with a price on his head allowed to capture
Syria a sovereign country and then presenting him as a
legitimate leader - the miracle of propaganda - real terrorists -Biden, Zellensky, NATO, Netanyahu, Erdogan. The burqa wearing immigrant is being demonized while our purported leaders pay terrorists to act as their proxies in dirty wars - the goal is oil and the food supply. Burqa wearing women are easy targets that is why they are demonized - we are powerless to defeat the real terrorist - our government. Real terrorists don’t wear burqas.
Are the women wearing the burqua freely or is it forced on them? That is the difference. It needs to be a personal choice. Not forced due to societal demands, if living in western countries. Assimilation to standards of decency, no abuse of women & children physically or sexually. Adapt to the the country you moved to. There’s a concept.
It wasn’t out of terrorism thought anyway - we voted for it because we respect human rights. Religions practiced actively undermining these are not something we have to accept and respect. We respect everyone and their religious freedom but we expect a moral standard aligned with our culture not someone elses and like other countries decided to finally take action to start protecting what’s left after 30 years of major immigration of people from vastly different cultures since the Yugoslavia conflict, us being a top ranked asylum target. I think the combined Syria+Ukraine situation tipped the balance of no longer acceptable as we have reached a non Swiss origin population percentage of 40% if you measure it by population growth since 2000
Welcome to the melting pot - you cannot legislate religious influenced behavior and call it protecting human rights.A moral standard would show acceptance of the other. Your culture might be enriched by a heterogeneous population bringing in various beliefs and points of view to enrich your lives. These new citizens did not necessarily leave their countries by choice but under duress and you add to their inability to assimilate by banning traditional beliefs and behaviors. Are Jews denied the right to wear yarmulkes? Life as the other in a predominantly white Christian country truly has challenges enough without imposing laws that makes access to the new culture impossible for many. Perhaps your country should review its policies to be more accommodating and see how the new immigrants respond to acceptance of who they are. You can be a good citizen without adhering to antiquated cultural norms especially when the populace of others is now 40 % or more - give these new citizens a chance. What would you do if you were denied your normative practices in a Muslim country? The Muslims had a tradition of tolerance throughout the ages of acceptance of Christians snd Jews and other religions and cultural groups -It is only in the more recent years that fascistic leaders and religious interpretation has demonized the other. See Syria a totally accepting secular culture until now when a terrorist reduced the country to mayhem and imposed harsh sharia influenced laws demonizing the other all paid for by western governments. Using religious differences for political gain solves nothing. Peace and peaceful coexisting is the answer - give it a try- get to know your new neighbors.
1) "legislate religious influenced behavior [wearing? a burqa, the veil] and call it protecting human rights": — It is a human rights issue, because of muslims' culture of Honor-Oppression. In Sweden there are more that 240.000 swedish citizens (about every 4th muslim) that lives more or less under this culture. (I presume that this Ratio is the same in other West-european countries.)
2) "Your culture might be enriched by a heterogeneous [diverse] population": — That might be true: what One finds to be enriching is a personal matter, usually beyond One's control, because it occurs spontaniously. Regardless, everyone knows that One does not have a choice: If One does not like 'Diversity' (cultural, ethnic, religious)... One is declared a 'Racist' and to be shunned and detested by society at-large.
3) "These new citizens did not necessarily leave their countries by choice but under duress": — Regardless of duress or not, it is still a requirement (acc. human nature) that they (immigrants, refugees) respect the (helping) host people's culture.
4) "[Cultural muslims'] inability to assimilate by banning traditional beliefs and behaviors": — It is not "banning" these. It is to restrict how these are expressed... in public. And, if assimilation is not done voluntarily, it is to be enforced by social pressure and/or (new) Laws. Otherwise, it is a form of colonisation.
5) "Are Jews denied the right to wear yarmulkes?" — Jews, hindus, buddhist, sikhs... every-kind else do not demand submission (arb. 'islam') like cultural muslims do.
6) "white Christian country truly has challenges": — Such a country (west-european) is the least worst for newcomers to integrate into, compared to all other kinds of countries.
7) "Perhaps your country [Switzerland?, Sweden?, others?] should review its policies to be more accommodating....": — If there is one kind of country that do more than anyone else to accomodate immigrants: see 6).
8) ".... and see how the new immigrants respond": — In my country (Sweden) and in England, I can see how they (cultural muslims) respond when being welcomed and accommodated: They demand Blasphemy Laws.
9) "You can be a good citizen without adhering to antiquated cultural norms": — I presume 'Karla M LaZier' refers to cultural muslims. Several surveys show she is wrong. Many, if not most/a majority, still carry with them/manitain "antiquated cultural norms" (ie. in comparison with modern european culture).
9A) The swedish largest political party, Social Democrats, have recently (!, 2023-Nov-27) discovered that there are many areas/neighbourhoods/towns that have Unhealthy Norms/Values [ie. un-Swedish culture] and Honor Culture.
9B) 2016-Apr-11 Channel 4/ICM Research: "C4 survey and documentaryreveals What British Muslims Really Think": —23% support the introduction of Sharia Law; —32% refuse to condemn those who take part in violence against those who mock the Prophet; —39% agree that wives should always obey their husbands; —52% do not believe that homosexuality should be legal in Britain.
9C) 2024-Apr-06 The Telegraph: "Just one in four British Muslims believe Hamas committed murder and rape in Israel": —(52 per cent) "of British Muslims want to make it illegal to show a picture of the Prophet Mohammed"; —(32 per cent) "want to see Shariah law implemented in the UK".
9D) See point 1) above [+240.000 swedish citizens are subjects of Honor Culture].
10) "What would you do if you were denied your normative practices in a Muslim country?" — In which muslim country do minorities (any kind, eg. religious) have if not equal rights, but at the very least are not discriminated?
11) "Peace and peaceful coexisting is the answer - give it a try- get to know your new neighbors." — I agree. But, that can not happen until cultural muslims stop demanding our submission (arb. 'islam').
LASTLY: I appreciate 'Karla M LaZier's good nature and efforts, but they are misguided.
To equate wearing a burqa with terrorism is a gross exaggeration- look at US supporting a known terrorist with a price on his head allowed to capture
Syria a sovereign country and then presenting him as a
legitimate leader - the miracle of propaganda - real terrorists -Biden, Zellensky, NATO, Netanyahu, Erdogan. The burqa wearing immigrant is being demonized while our purported leaders pay terrorists to act as their proxies in dirty wars - the goal is oil and the food supply. Burqa wearing women are easy targets that is why they are demonized - we are powerless to defeat the real terrorist - our government. Real terrorists don’t wear burqas.
The culture that asks women to hide themselves and lest we forget, to undergo genital mutilation, should be demonised.
Are the women wearing the burqua freely or is it forced on them? That is the difference. It needs to be a personal choice. Not forced due to societal demands, if living in western countries. Assimilation to standards of decency, no abuse of women & children physically or sexually. Adapt to the the country you moved to. There’s a concept.
It wasn’t out of terrorism thought anyway - we voted for it because we respect human rights. Religions practiced actively undermining these are not something we have to accept and respect. We respect everyone and their religious freedom but we expect a moral standard aligned with our culture not someone elses and like other countries decided to finally take action to start protecting what’s left after 30 years of major immigration of people from vastly different cultures since the Yugoslavia conflict, us being a top ranked asylum target. I think the combined Syria+Ukraine situation tipped the balance of no longer acceptable as we have reached a non Swiss origin population percentage of 40% if you measure it by population growth since 2000
Welcome to the melting pot - you cannot legislate religious influenced behavior and call it protecting human rights.A moral standard would show acceptance of the other. Your culture might be enriched by a heterogeneous population bringing in various beliefs and points of view to enrich your lives. These new citizens did not necessarily leave their countries by choice but under duress and you add to their inability to assimilate by banning traditional beliefs and behaviors. Are Jews denied the right to wear yarmulkes? Life as the other in a predominantly white Christian country truly has challenges enough without imposing laws that makes access to the new culture impossible for many. Perhaps your country should review its policies to be more accommodating and see how the new immigrants respond to acceptance of who they are. You can be a good citizen without adhering to antiquated cultural norms especially when the populace of others is now 40 % or more - give these new citizens a chance. What would you do if you were denied your normative practices in a Muslim country? The Muslims had a tradition of tolerance throughout the ages of acceptance of Christians snd Jews and other religions and cultural groups -It is only in the more recent years that fascistic leaders and religious interpretation has demonized the other. See Syria a totally accepting secular culture until now when a terrorist reduced the country to mayhem and imposed harsh sharia influenced laws demonizing the other all paid for by western governments. Using religious differences for political gain solves nothing. Peace and peaceful coexisting is the answer - give it a try- get to know your new neighbors.
'Karla M LaZier' is wrong on several points.
1) "legislate religious influenced behavior [wearing? a burqa, the veil] and call it protecting human rights": — It is a human rights issue, because of muslims' culture of Honor-Oppression. In Sweden there are more that 240.000 swedish citizens (about every 4th muslim) that lives more or less under this culture. (I presume that this Ratio is the same in other West-european countries.)
2) "Your culture might be enriched by a heterogeneous [diverse] population": — That might be true: what One finds to be enriching is a personal matter, usually beyond One's control, because it occurs spontaniously. Regardless, everyone knows that One does not have a choice: If One does not like 'Diversity' (cultural, ethnic, religious)... One is declared a 'Racist' and to be shunned and detested by society at-large.
3) "These new citizens did not necessarily leave their countries by choice but under duress": — Regardless of duress or not, it is still a requirement (acc. human nature) that they (immigrants, refugees) respect the (helping) host people's culture.
4) "[Cultural muslims'] inability to assimilate by banning traditional beliefs and behaviors": — It is not "banning" these. It is to restrict how these are expressed... in public. And, if assimilation is not done voluntarily, it is to be enforced by social pressure and/or (new) Laws. Otherwise, it is a form of colonisation.
5) "Are Jews denied the right to wear yarmulkes?" — Jews, hindus, buddhist, sikhs... every-kind else do not demand submission (arb. 'islam') like cultural muslims do.
6) "white Christian country truly has challenges": — Such a country (west-european) is the least worst for newcomers to integrate into, compared to all other kinds of countries.
7) "Perhaps your country [Switzerland?, Sweden?, others?] should review its policies to be more accommodating....": — If there is one kind of country that do more than anyone else to accomodate immigrants: see 6).
8) ".... and see how the new immigrants respond": — In my country (Sweden) and in England, I can see how they (cultural muslims) respond when being welcomed and accommodated: They demand Blasphemy Laws.
9) "You can be a good citizen without adhering to antiquated cultural norms": — I presume 'Karla M LaZier' refers to cultural muslims. Several surveys show she is wrong. Many, if not most/a majority, still carry with them/manitain "antiquated cultural norms" (ie. in comparison with modern european culture).
9A) The swedish largest political party, Social Democrats, have recently (!, 2023-Nov-27) discovered that there are many areas/neighbourhoods/towns that have Unhealthy Norms/Values [ie. un-Swedish culture] and Honor Culture.
9B) 2016-Apr-11 Channel 4/ICM Research: "C4 survey and documentaryreveals What British Muslims Really Think": —23% support the introduction of Sharia Law; —32% refuse to condemn those who take part in violence against those who mock the Prophet; —39% agree that wives should always obey their husbands; —52% do not believe that homosexuality should be legal in Britain.
9C) 2024-Apr-06 The Telegraph: "Just one in four British Muslims believe Hamas committed murder and rape in Israel": —(52 per cent) "of British Muslims want to make it illegal to show a picture of the Prophet Mohammed"; —(32 per cent) "want to see Shariah law implemented in the UK".
9D) See point 1) above [+240.000 swedish citizens are subjects of Honor Culture].
10) "What would you do if you were denied your normative practices in a Muslim country?" — In which muslim country do minorities (any kind, eg. religious) have if not equal rights, but at the very least are not discriminated?
11) "Peace and peaceful coexisting is the answer - give it a try- get to know your new neighbors." — I agree. But, that can not happen until cultural muslims stop demanding our submission (arb. 'islam').
LASTLY: I appreciate 'Karla M LaZier's good nature and efforts, but they are misguided.